A big Thank You!

I just wanted to offer a HUGE thank you to g0llum a.k.a. Keschte for all the tedious work he did in updating a number of pages (well over 100) to reflect the change in verbiage from “album” to “release” and “moderate” to “edit”. This was very time consuming work and he tackled this project along … Continue reading “A big Thank You!”

I just wanted to offer a HUGE thank you to g0llum a.k.a. Keschte for all the tedious work he did in updating a number of pages (well over 100) to reflect the change in verbiage from “album” to “release” and “moderate” to “edit”. This was very time consuming work and he tackled this project along with all of his other efforts including making our site comply with web standards. If you see him on IRC be sure to tell him thanks and give him a big virtual hug.

I’d also like to thank MRudat for also being a busy bee and making lots of little edits and interwingling pages. Every little bit helps.

To everyone else contributing, thank you.

wolfsong

IRC Meeting, what's up with Musicbrainz

This is to expand on Don Redman’s post. (click on word post to visit it) First of all, I would like to take the time to say thanks (in no specific order) to ruaok, luks, g0llum, donredman, yalaforge, dave evans, shepard, tarragon, nikki, inhouseuk, the board of directors, Dan Appleman, Fred von Lohmann, Randy Heinig, … Continue reading “IRC Meeting, what's up with Musicbrainz”

This is to expand on Don Redman’s post. (click on word post to visit it)

First of all, I would like to take the time to say thanks (in no specific order) to ruaok, luks, g0llum, donredman, yalaforge, dave evans, shepard, tarragon, nikki, inhouseuk, the board of directors, Dan Appleman, Fred von Lohmann, Randy Heinig, the sponsors, those on the top moderators list (both voters and editors) as well as countless others that built the database, refine it and help make it a great place to visit and tweak.
(no, this is not an academy award acceptance speech. ;0) )

Luks is now the keeper of picard, wow, big responsibility! Remember it’s a free program and still in beta. It has growing up to do, but isn’t it great we have the ability to utilize it now, instead of after everything is polished? That’s part of beta testing. All these people get is the bugs, they need some support and love along the way! Good job as far as I’m concerned. It’s constantly developing to a more stable and useable product.

As far as the community goes. There is first a question as to what Musicbrainz purpose is. Is it a tagger, is it a repository for information on music, is it ???. I personally feel this was best summed up by ruaok

“I think our goal needs to be a comprehensible music encyclopedia with a killer tagging app.”

So that in mind, I’m taking the initiative to sum up the chat and try to define a few things, while also getting some of the community to sit back and realize a few things.

First and foremost; This is a community! We all strive to help make it work and grow. If all you are doing is pestering for something new realize developement takes time! Either we can push for some half baked fixes, or we can be patient and wait a little while for a shiny near perfect database we all have been trying to envision and some souls have spent a lot of time and effort to perfect and create for those others of us less capable in programming or lacking in time to help.

There are numerous ways to help and join the community.

  • monetary contribution
  • which keeps musicbrainz on the web for all of us.

  • coding
  • which helps development of applications and will develop the new schema. Which I might add, will implement changes making obsolete many issues which are argued to death on the mailing lists at this time.

  • watching the issues
  • ordering them in a sensical fashion, guiding implemention of small changes where possible, as long as it doesn’t require code changing.

  • wiki work
  • helps new users better join in the advancement of the community.

  • Voting
  • helps to insure correct data is being put into the database

  • Editing
  • correcting in accuracies in the current data.

    So, there are many ways you can become an active, cherished participant of the community. Virtually, if you don’t like the way things are going, please, join us and help us improve it! But, be patient and always realize people are giving what they can to our project, which is improving with each line of code, each vote, and each piece of data corrected.

    Another thing to remember, these are people behind these names. People with lives, people with difficulties beyond your need to tag your audio file, or your desire to look at one page and have it perfectly laid out to your specifications. They get sick, they feel let down when they’ve spent hours, days, weeks, months on developing something and all they can hear is, that’s nice, I want this, or I want more. Or, worse of all, that’s crap, I don’t like it. Yes, bugs are important to be pointed out! Please provide answers, suggestions, if you have no idea of a suggestion, maybe you need to just file a trac ticket and walk on. Neutrality is a very good trait to embrace. Look from your own view, but look from theirs too.

    Coming soon is an update to give those in the community an idea of what is being done. What to expect, and a highlighting of those people in the project that aren’t as apparent from an average musicbrainizens point of view.

    Don Redman already gave a link to the log for anyone to read for themselves. I ask and close to demand those in our community sit back, relax and let some of the behind the scenes work progress. Or, better, become a part of the team, and help us develop what we are working toward, the great improvements rather than having our coders attempting to please the masses and direct their time to less important things that have been endlessly discussed and looked into. Ultimately leading to the developement time being taken away from those greater visions that aren’t too far around the corner!

    You can also greatly help by digging back through the archives and chat logs. It’s likely there has been a discussion already about what you’re seeking to have implemented.

    The more initiative you take, the more you will be involved and part of our community. Surprisingly, the community is very open and willing to help those that desire to help improve our community. The more complaining without answers, without constructive criticism, the more likely those people that support the community the most will not desire to be spending as much time in development, or will become bitter, or will need a break from this. Ultimately, would that be better? I don’t believe so. That’s my two cents, and thank you, once more to all the above I listed. I totally appreciate what Musicbrainz provides for my desires and I look forward to the future!

    Nyght aka Beth

    Edit of the week

    This is the first of (hopefully) a series of posts on interesting or dubious edits (moderations). I don’t know if I’ll be able to deliver a post on a regular basis; the word week in the title might be misleading πŸ˜‰ Any way, I’d welcome suggestions for edits to discuss. This first attempt was inspired … Continue reading “Edit of the week”

    This is the first of (hopefully) a series of posts on interesting or dubious edits (moderations). I don’t know if I’ll be able to deliver a post on a regular basis; the word week in the title might be misleading πŸ˜‰ Any way, I’d welcome suggestions for edits to discuss.

    This first attempt was inspired by edit #4229934, an Add Album edit for artist Sesame Street. Although the edit conforms to the style guidelines, there was an objection: Sesame Street is a so called bogus artist. There simply is no person or group of people performing under that name. Since the album being added is a music release, it is a valid MusicBrainz entry and is therefore ‘allowed’ to be added, even if the album artist is a fictitious artist.

    Still open for discussion is the question what a valid fictitious artist is, and what is not. Sesame Street has proven its validity; a lot of albums are released under this name. But what about the different Sesame Street characters like Kermit, Bert, Ernie, etc. and the characters from the television series South Park? It is impossible to formulate a definition and rules for artist names that capture all people, bands, orchestras, fictitious artists and special purpose artists like [unknown], [no artist] and [anon.]. The only certainty is that Three Flute Players and a Singer of the Atutu, Baule and that sort of ‘artists’ definitely do not deserve an artist entry in the database πŸ˜‰

    Happy editing.

    Nothing to see here, move along

    I haven’t been doing much MusicBrainz stuff the last week besides finally getting my test server up and running .. I’ll explain with two words. Xbox. Halo. ‘Nuff said. Some media blips I thought others might find interesting: John Peel, a UK radio DJ luminary who has brought many a budding artist into the limelight … Continue reading “Nothing to see here, move along”

    I haven’t been doing much MusicBrainz stuff the last week besides finally getting my test server up and running .. I’ll explain with two words. Xbox. Halo. ‘Nuff said.

    Some media blips I thought others might find interesting:

    John Peel, a UK radio DJ luminary who has brought many a budding artist into the limelight through his “Peel Sessions”, has died of a heart attack at age 65. It is a sad day. Details.

    Hilary Rosen, the former CEO of the RIAA has, in a Wired article, had some promising words to say about Lawrence Lessig and the Creative Commons license. Details.

    That is all.

    Duplicate Artist/Album Reports Updated (expect delays)

    The raw data feeding into the duplicate artist/album reports has been updated. These are available under Edit The Data/Suggestions as the last two entries: “Albums that might need merging” and “More possibly duplicate artists”. The last time this report was generated (July) we had 1703 possible album duplicates and 1872 possible artist duplicates. We now … Continue reading “Duplicate Artist/Album Reports Updated (expect delays)”

    The raw data feeding into the duplicate artist/album reports has been updated. These are available under Edit The Data/Suggestions as the last two entries: “Albums that might need merging” and
    “More possibly duplicate artists”. The last time this report was generated (July) we had 1703 possible album duplicates and 1872 possible artist duplicates. We now have 2714 possible album duplicates and 2424 possible artist duplicates.

    Note that there is a delay between when I upload the raw data and it is reflected on the server – I think this was set up to happen once a day, but it may be only once a week.

    As always, if anyone is looking at these, and there is a confirmed false positive, let me know and I will (a) make sure it doesn’t show up in the next report, and (b) see if I can improve the overall reporting. So far very few people have submitted false positives.

    Trod trod trod

    I have Picard starting up on Gentoo linux! Finally sorted out some permission problems and got the last of the requirements installed, and it runs! Well, almost. I can’t actually do anything; dragging files has no effect, the application complains a bit and won’t shut down properly; but still, progress! On the Mac, I’ve managed … Continue reading “Trod trod trod”

    I have Picard starting up on Gentoo linux! Finally sorted out some permission problems and got the last of the requirements installed, and it runs! Well, almost. I can’t actually do anything; dragging files has no effect, the application complains a bit and won’t shut down properly; but still, progress! On the Mac, I’ve managed to work around some Python issues with respect to case insensitive filesystems, but now wxPython won’t compile, so I’ve taken a break from that and turned to the Windows front: I’m installing Windows XP into a VirtualPC as I write.

    As an aside, I’ve almost got the my MusicBrainz test server up and running again, having some issues with the database import though. I forgot how many perl modules you need to install to get this thing running, but it only has to happen once.

    Style Guidelines Work

    Started work on the effort to move the official style guidelines to the Wiki. Created a Wiki page mimicing the current Official Style Guidelines page, it’s still a bit rough and I need to work on the formatting, but it’s there. Also started work on the style pages from the main site out of CVS, … Continue reading “Style Guidelines Work”

    Started work on the effort to move the official style guidelines to the Wiki. Created a Wiki page mimicing the current Official Style Guidelines page, it’s still a bit rough and I need to work on the formatting, but it’s there. Also started work on the style pages from the main site out of CVS, but realised I can’t get too far without a working running version of the MB server – viewing the raw html file in the browser doesn’t get all the Mason code. Setting up the server is a job for tomorrow.

    They're not barriers, they're challenges

    Mac OS X: I’ve decided Fink can suck er .. something rancid, and I’ve gone down the path of compiling everything from scratch, including gtk+2 and all of its dependancies, and Python. Now that I’ve got that all out of the way, it turns out that OS X has it’s own version of Python, and … Continue reading “They're not barriers, they're challenges”

    Mac OS X: I’ve decided Fink can suck er .. something rancid, and I’ve gone down the path of compiling everything from scratch, including gtk+2 and all of its dependancies, and Python. Now that I’ve got that all out of the way, it turns out that OS X has it’s own version of Python, and this version of Python doesn’t play ball with the ctypes package. Ah well, getting closer, slowly.

    Two steps forward, one step back

    I’ve been trying to set up various environments to install Picard (Mac OS X 10.3, Gentoo linux, and Windows XP via VirtualPC on the Mac). It’s been a rather trialing process…

    I’ve been trying to set up various environments to install Picard (Mac OS X 10.3, Gentoo linux, and Windows XP via VirtualPC on the Mac). It’s been a rather trialing process…

    Continue reading “Two steps forward, one step back”